They Still Hate Us More Than They Love Their Children

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”

― Golda Meir

I don’t know how I can sum up my feelings on the recent tragedy in Nigeria, carried out by Boko Haram. They set a school on fire because they believe that “western education is sinful” (the translation of their name) and I suppose that killing 42 people (most of them children) is more moral to them and their god than allowing them to be educated by “sinful” westerners.

School burned in March in Borno State by Boko Haram

42, with the death toll still increasing and many more children from the school (which housed over a thousand children). They shot children and teachers and set the dormitory on fire and this is not the first school they’ve done this too. 

In some ways I have to admit that at least Boko Haram is more honest. They have the guts to murder innocent children themselves, rather than the cowardly way that Hamas using children as pawns against Israel. At least they light the fire themselves, rather than using playgrounds and apartment buildings as launching pads for rockets and storage for weapons.

But in the end it’s all the same. They do this in the name of (and because of, let’s not argue, the Koran does proscribe this sort of killing, the fact that some ‘moderates’ choose to not follow those commands doesn’t change that) religion. They do this to spread Sharia law and keep the commandments of Allah and Mohammed.

Hamas and Boko Haram might as well be the same group. Whether you can prove financial ties or not, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Muslim Brotherhood, all are the same in my eyes.

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No snark today, I’m not up to it.

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33 Comments

  1. Who cares as long as we make sure we keep them bottled up in their own Hell? They’re not even close to being in sight of be salvageable so why concern yourself?

    Just stop the aid and make sure our resource extraction points are well-fortified and ignore the rest.

      • Care to explain how it would make things worse for us? No or very limited and secured contact means little or no risk to us and, it’s the flip-side of non-interventionism, which most tout as a means of reducing their tendency to target us.

        • Because your “bottled up” policy is nothing more than the Cold War Policy of containment under a new name. In the Cold War it didn’t work as time and time and time again we had to both directly and indirectly face off against our opposition, at best having a stalemate, and more often than not retreating. The problem was only stopped when we confronted it head on and made it our goal to end them, to tear down the walls, to finish the evil empire.

          Even worse than the Cold War, we’re fighting a ideology that is not just evil, but bolstered by religious fanaticism. There is no way to ” keep them bottled up in their own Hell” they will find a way out and they will use your attempt to bottle them up to fuel their propaganda. At best your attempts to bottle them up will only allow them the cover to work on WMD programs, which will, in the end, be anything but a bottled up program.

  2. Let’s be honest. This situation will never get better. Not in the lifetime of anybody alive today. Never. Ever. The American public has been disinterested in this subject since 1974, and the only time it cares is when they bomb us, and even then, we are denied a victory by the media or various political interests. Worse, we are told to love them. I don’t and I won’t. You can throw all the money in Fort Knox at the problem, and we almost have, and it will still not go away. Never. Ever. Not in the lifetime of anybody alive today.

  3. What a fantastic, shallow analysis of the Middle East. The Golda Meir (one of the most famous Zionists) quote is the real cherry on top.

    The fact that you completely fail to acknowledge any sort of context regarding Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, or Boko Haram is an excellent testament to your poor analytical/writing skills, let alone any sort of knowledge regarding US-Middle East foreign policy and its history.

    And finally, the Koran does not proscribe killing of individuals. Pick up an English version and read it for yourself. Murder is murder in the Koran, but I commend your efforts at spewing tinned Pamela Geller-esque thoughts on Islam.

    • “And finally, the Koran does not proscribe killing of individuals.”

      “Fighting is obligatory” (Koran 2:216)
      “Slay them [non-Muslims] wherever you find them.” (Koran 2:191)
      Next time you claim people are ignorant, you might actually want to know something about what you’re defending.

      • The reature that goes by “Intifada” is just another filthy, subhuman Jidadi. I would council not bothering to respond to it and to use the Spam feature of WordPress to help silence and isolate it from the Civilized World.

  4. There are sections of your christian bible that say that it is permissible to murder non-believers, and to rape prisoners of war, non-believers and slaves. There are also verses that say homosexuals and adulterers should be put to death, as indeed should anyone wearing clothing of two fabrics. So any fool can go through religious books written a couple of thousand years ago and pick out a couple of sentences out of context and use them to portray the entire religion as evil. It’s easy, except that all you are demonstrating is your one prejudice and indeed, ignorance..

  5. “Whole countries don’t operate on those taken out of context sections of the Bible.”

    Ha! tell that to the six million Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis (Gott Mit Uns). Tell that to the victims of apartheid regimes who used De Nederlandse Kerk’s biblical quotations to justify apartheid. Tell that to the Lesbians and Gays who are currently being ostracised in Uganda, Malawi, and Liberia – where new anti-Gay laws based on biblical messages are currently being introduced. For 19 years, Joseph Kony has been enslaving, torturing, raping, and murdering Ugandan children, many of whom have become soldiers for his “Lord’s Resistance Army,” going on to torture, rape, and kill other children.

    You wouldn’t recognize a “fact” if it bit you on the ass.

    • Several problems with your blathering.

      Nazi Germany didn’t particularly use the Bible to justify their actions and Uganda, Malawi, and Liberia are all mixed-religion countries, with the Muslims there being more fond of killing queers than the Christians, though the Christians are no slouches in that department either.

      But you wonder understand that any more than you would understand how humans behave with each other…so stop yapping at your betters and just be grateful that you’re allowed to live in our countries.

  6. Note from Moderator: Marvin/Purple Cow is a moron and while his posting will be allowed, it will also be ignored by the author from here on out. Please feel free to argue with him if you wish, but there is a point at which delusion and outright ignorance of history and philosophy and, well, basically everything…is not worth her time to respond to anymore.

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    “Nazi Germany didn’t particularly use the Bible to justify their action…”

    Oh yes it did.

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    “Uganda, Malawi, and Liberia are all mixed-religion countries”

    Every country in the world is a mixed religion country, numbnuts.

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    “…with the Muslims there being more fond of killing queers than the Christians.”

    That’s a flat lie. In Uganda for instance the government is dominated by the N.R.M. an extreme Right wing christian party. Uganda is 84% christian. Liberia is 85.5% christian, also a christian government. I could go on, but I know how you far-right types distrust “facts”.

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    “……so stop yapping at your betters and just be grateful that you’re allowed to live in our countries.”

    1. Who are ‘my betters’ and why?

    2. What are “your countries”

    3. Why should I be grateful to be allowed to live i the country where I was born?

    I’ll wait…

    • Marvin,
      I would suggest you actually study something, anything, perhaps history before you ever both another person again, as you clearly know nothing at present.

      From
      The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh, page 196:

      “Nazism represented a sustained assault on fundamental Christian values, regardless of any tactical obeisance to the purchase it had on most Germans. […] The mission here and now, for utopian ends on earth, became a substitute for the futility of earthly existence and the majesty of God.” [The whole passage is quoted here.]

      The Nazi’s war against religion in general and Christianity in particular is also detailed quite clearly in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William S. Shirer

      If you would like some highlights of both those works along with other evidence showing Nazi Germany to be quite the atheistic regime, try here http://conservativenewager.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/atheists-try-and-portray-themselves-as-the-religion-of-peacewhen-they-are-anything-but/

  7. Forgot to post this…

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”

    Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

    • Oh, well he said he was a Christian. That settles everything. Kind of like that time he said he wasn’t going to invade anyone if he just got that slice of Czechoslovakia. Or that time he promised the Red Cross that he was following all the rules in the Concentration Camps. Politicians lie on general principle…more so in Hitler’s case. If you think you can just take Hitler’s word at face value as proof of fact, you are so dumb it’s amazing you’re able to sustain the most basic bodily functions.
      You judge people by acts not words. When a nation out laws all religions, outlaws the Bible, outlaws miracles (yeah they actually did that), out laws churches of every denomination, outlaws any religious iconography but especially the cross, that tells anyone with even a remotely functioning brain that perhaps his claim to be a Christian might come under the category of a politician lying.

  8. Crisap, here’s the thing. You can’t just make shit up, and then accuse other people of not understanding history. The Nazis did not outlaw religions or the bible. They just didn’t do anything like that. Neither did they outlaw miracles – that’s an old joke taken from the script of the movie Casablanca.

    Here’s another tip for you, if you want to supply evidence to back up your point if view, you should find a source from an unbiased stand-point. If it actually has the word ‘conservative’ in the title FFS, then it’s not unbiased.

    Oh by the way, I’ve read Shirer’s stupid book, you should know he was a journalist not a proper historian. Academics have never taken his work seriously. Even so I can think of no passage from memory, where he demonstrates that the Nazis were atheists. Perhaps you would like to refresh my memory with a page reference?

    • Idiot, don’t claim people are making things up. Especially when they provide you proof otherwise. I gave you the book title, but I see expecting you to read anything longer the the Protocols of the Elders of Zion might be expecting a bit much.

      From The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William S. Shirer, from the section “The Persecution of Christian Churches” (And right before the section “The Nazification of Culture”), page 240,

      “What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty point program for the ‘National Reich Church’ […] A few of its thirty articles convey the essentials:

      “1. The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be the national churches of the German Reich.

      “5. The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably….the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

      “7. The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains, or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

      “13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…

      “14. The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuehrer’s Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents. It….not only contains the greatest but it embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

      “18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints.

      “19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

      “30. On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.”

  9. “Idiot, don’t claim people are making things up. Especially when they provide you proof otherwise.”

    You’ve done absolutely no such thing.

    Even if Shirer wasn’t an idiot, not a single one of these quotes proves your point does it?

    Did the Nazis actually ban the bible? No they did not.

    Did the Nazis actually outlaw all religions? No they did not.

    Did the Nazis actually ‘ban miracles’ (!) No they did not.

    As somebody once said of the Nazis…

    “You judge people by acts not words.”

    Now, who was that?

    Oh yeah, it was YOU….

    • Not big on reading are you.
      13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…Sounds like outlawing the Bible to me

      “18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints. Sounds like outlawing religion to me.

      30. the banning of the ” the Christian Cross ” (as well as the banning of the Eucharist not explicitly mentioned here) which are miracles in the eyes of Christians…that sounds like banning of miracles to me.

      I understand it take a functioning frontal lobe to make these single step deductions in logic and thus you will never be capable of doing them.
      And I am judging them by their actions, they carried these out as well as they could…or do you think they started putting Catholic priests and nuns and Protestant ministers in concentration camps for the hell of it?

  10. “13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…Sounds like outlawing the Bible to me”

    Maybe it does, but my point remains – it never actually happened.

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    “18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints. Sounds like outlawing religion to me.

    Maybe it does, but my point remains – it never actually happened.

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    30. the banning of the ” the Christian Cross ” (as well as the banning of the Eucharist not explicitly mentioned here) which are miracles in the eyes of Christians…that sounds like banning of miracles to me.

    Maybe it does, but my point remains – it never actually happened.

    I understand it take a functioning frontal lobe to make the single step deductions in logic that Nazis did not actually carry out any of these threats, so I understand that you will never accept what I say. There is a marked difference between reality and conservative perceived reality. That’s why you only research in ‘conservative’ sources. Because there is the real world, and there is conservatism.

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    “…or do you think they started putting Catholic priests and nuns and Protestant ministers in concentration camps for the hell of it?”

    Actually yes, pretty much. There is a whole load of reasons why the Nazis killed clerics. Many of them were opposed to the wholesale slaughter of Jews, Socialists, Gays and the handicapped. Many were opposed to the introduction of “German Christians” (Deutsche Christen) who sought to align Protestantism with Fascism and held that Hitler was the final stage of The Reformation. Many more rejected the tenants of ‘Positive Christianity’ (the performed form of Christianity among the Nazi apparatchiks) that held that Jesus Christ was an anti-Semite. I could go on, but I know how you guys are allergic to reality.

  11. ““it never actually happened.” Why because we stopped them.”

    Oh for fuck’s sake…

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    Meredith, you do realise that that graphic is the argument I am making, right?

    Earlier today your dimwit buddy was claiming that the Nazis had definitely banned religion, the bible, and miracles. Then he claimed THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT THEREFOR THEY DID. Now he is saying well they didn’t do it but only because we stopped them. (Though oddly we didn’t stop them murdering 6 million Jews and 400,000 Socialists).

    You see what a mess you are now in Crisap? Even Meredith thinks you’re wrong!

    • Cris knows that’s not true.
      And if you looked at the comment I posted you would notice I said I was making a joke because you are a moron.

      Lastly, your argument is “Hitler said he wouldn’t do something despicable, but then he did it anyway. So clearly when he SAID he would do something despicable that means he would never do it.”
      I would ask if realized how stupid that sounded, but consider you’re…you…I know that is unlikely.

    • “THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT THEREFOR THEY DID.” Well aren’t you great at putting up some of the dumest fucking straw men ever.

      It’s not that they said they were going to do it. They (A) went after religious minorities (the Roma, Jews, Jehovah’s Witnesses), (B) when after non majority groups (Catholics) (C) started going after vocal Protestants, (D) published their very clear intent and plan to eliminate all religion.

      So if a terrorist buys the parts for the bomb, assembles them, goes to his targets area, publishes his stupid manifesto on YouTube but is shot before detonating the device…I would say he intended to detonate a bomb and should be held in the same level of moral vileness as someone who did achieve their goal…you apparently would ridicule me with “”THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT THEREFOR THEY DID.” Because you apparently can’t see that when there is a clear pattern of action plus a stated list of goals that they did begin working on…that I can’t hold someone responsible for their beyond clear intentions.

  12. You can snowjob all you like crisap, but the fact is you have held three entirely different opinions on this subject in one day on this one thread alone.

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    “Lastly, your argument is “Hitler said he wouldn’t do something despicable, but then he did it anyway. So clearly when he SAID he would do something despicable that means he would never do it.”

    Meredith, clearly I have said absolutely no such fucking thing. You two deserve each other. You are two third-rate intellects trying to convince yourselves that you are second-rate intellects.

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    Jonolan, wassup?

    Cat got your tongue?

  13. “It’s not that they said they were going to do it. They (A) went after religious minorities (the Roma, Jews, Jehovah’s Witnesses), (B) when after non majority groups (Catholics) (C) started going after vocal Protestants, (D) published their very clear intent and plan to eliminate all religion.”

    You are at least persistent in your stupidity, crisp. Roma and Jews were racial groups – not religious groups, numb nuts. They didn’t go after some protestants and some catholics because they were christians – after all Adolf was a Catholic, and many Nazis attended christian services.

    How could they possible eliminate religion, when many Nazis practiced religion and they were leading a nation which (at that time) was highly religious? Does that make sense even to you. That’s not a Straw Man – that’s common sense.

    Note also just yesterday you were saying they had done all of these things, now you are saying that might have done if they had had the chance. Despite the fact that the Nazis never enacted any laws banning the bible or the christian religion.

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